User talk:CHGiffen

Welcome to the User talk page of CHGiffen,
alias Charles H. Giffen or simply Chuck_talk Giffen_♫.

Feel free to leave questions and comments on this page about any contributions I've made to CPDL as a ChoralWiki editor/administrator.

• Comments and questions about scores I have edited for CPDL (other than my own compositions) should be posted here.
• Comments and questions about my own compositions should be posted on my composer talk page.

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Archives

• Archive 1, Jul 2007 - Sep 2007
• Archive 2, Oct 2007 - Dec 2007
• Archive 3, Jan 2008 - Mar 2008
• Archive 4, Apr 2008 - Jun 2008
• Archive 5, Jul 2008 - Sep 2008

problems with uploading scores

Thought you should know that scores do not upload properly. I just uploaded a revised version. The system prompted me to overwrite the old version, but the old version is still displayed. Jonathang 18:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply by: Choralia 19:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)  Help  This may be a side-effect of having activated the wiki cache on this new server. The file has been probably overwritten already, but the cache still provides the old version to you. You may try to recall the same page, and add ?action=purge at the end of the URL. This is supposed to clear the cache, so the new version should be displayed.

Tried this. Old version still displays. Tried uploading again. System recongised 3rd version as a duplicate but still displayed orginal version. Jonathang 19:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply by: Chucktalk Giffen♫ 19:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)  Help  The problem wasn't with the uploaded file(s) but rather with the page Tota pulchra es (Francisco Valls) which was loading from a cached version. As soon as I opened the page in an edit window and then clicked on "Submit" to re-edit the page (even though I changed nothing), the correct PDF now loads when the PDF icon is clicked. This is not an unusual occurrence that a page needs to be "touched" in order to update the links that originate from the page.

Chuck. Sorry this has not cured the problem. The old version is still displaying. You will know that you have the right version when there are no prefatory staves and when the source "Arte de Canto Llano" by Martin y Coll appears in the top left hand corner of the first page. Jonathang 19:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Post script. I have solved the problem for this specific axoew* by uploading the new version with a new file name. The ability to overwrite old versions probably needs to be checked carefully. If you need any further help from me let me know. Jonathang 20:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC) (N.B. "axoew" = "score" shifted one key to the left on the keyboard :)

Hi Jonathan, there's nothing wrong with the upload system for new versions, it's just that now the site has a file caching feature activated and it may imply in that some links are not updated instantly. Anyway, uploading the new files with a different name is not the best solution either, next time just ask an admin to delete the old versions (as was done for you) and the new ones will instantly become available. Alternatively, just wait for a couple of hours (or days?) and the cache system will correct the links. —Carlos  06:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Use of "Scorch" designation for Sibelius source file.

Hi Chuck. Noticed your changes to my recent post of Palestrina's "Alma Redemptoris". I fixed the PDF file link, which was a cut-n-paste error. I also reverted the change to the "Scorch" designation. When I do a CPDL post I give full access to the Sibelius source file, (you can download it with a right-click on "Sibelius 4"). If you double-left click on it, and you have Sibelius's "Scorch" utility installed, it will come up in Scorch, but you can't print it or save it from there. Some editors may want this restriction, and labeling their scores with (Scorch) would indicate this limitation. Hence I prefer the "Sibelius 4" designation I've been using, indicating free access to the source file, with no limitations. Johnhenryfowler 19:22, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply by: Chucktalk Giffen♫  Help  Hi John. I had hoped that the PDF file was missing because of a cut and paste error. In my browser, the Sibelius 4 file loads automatically into Scorch with a single click, not a double click as you describe. Anyway, I'm glad my "correction" caught your eye so you could perform the real correction!!

Spelling mistake

Apologies. I have just noticed that I made a spelling mistake in the title of Callcott's Miserere. Not sure how to correct this. I don't want to make things worse by trying so have dated the entry tomorrow so it does not appear in "latest editions" Jonathang 08:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply by: Chucktalk Giffen♫ 12:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)  Help  Hi Jonathan. Not a problem. I moved the page to one with the correct title and updated all the links so they didn't flow through the redirect the move created, then deleted the redirect on the wrongly spellt page which resulted from the move. In the future, don't be afraid to do a move yourself, since nothing drastic happens (any links to the orginal page still work via redirection until they are fixed and the old page with the redirect on it is deleted). I also changed the submission date to 2008-10-11, since that is when you actually submitted the work.

Text requests

Hi Chuck, Since things seem to be getting along nicely again at cpdl, I'm willing to devote some time to reviewing/editing pages again. I've started by having a look at the Latin text requests, and tackled this one, which onfortunately happened to be in the wrong language cat :)) Still, when I complete a text, does that mean I have to delete the title from the request list? Cordially, joachim 18:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC) P.S.: How about the Virgo serena by Pipelare? Fancy a go at the alto part?

Reply by: Chucktalk Giffen♫ 20:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)  Help  Hi Joachim, It's good to hear that you are willing to resume reviewing & editing pages again. The Anima del cor of Monteverdi was mislabelled with respect to language, and thank you for correcting it and adding the Italian text. Indeed, adding a missing text automatically removes it from the coressponding text request list, which is generated via a Dynamic Page Listing (DPL) mechanism. The "Popular scores" item on the Main Page is also generated via DPL, and the various statistics under "Browse CPDL" are automatically updated via DPL, too (previously, I had to update the statistics once or twice a month by hand). Yes, I'd be interested to tackle reconstructing the missing alto part for the Ave Maria - Virgo serena by Pipelare. Do you have a score with the other parts available?

Reply by: Vaarky 01:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)  Help  The DPL knows to list a piece in the automatically-generated list of pieces based on the "NoText" indicator and the language indicated for the piece on the score page. Once you replace the NoText with the corresponding Text|Latin or whatever coding, the absense of NoText causes the page to stop appearing in the dynamically-generated page for scores missing text in a particular language. A clever use of automation! Thanks for helping out.

Hi Chuck, I've been adding texts to the scores in the Latin text requests. Strangely, none of them disappear from the request list subsequently: this one and this one, for instance. Any thoughts? Cordially, joachim 17:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit: Figured it out myself - it was my browser's cache that got the better of me. :)

Popular composers & scores

Only just discovered these pages. Well done, they look great! Do you think there should be a link to ChoralWiki:Popular composers on the Main Page as well as scores? --Bobnotts talk 09:24, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Rob. I was thinking about including it, but just haven't done it yet. I'll rearrange stuff in the CPDL statistics template to include the Popular composers, too (in the meantime, I had simply cross-linked these with Popular compositions). -- Chuck_talk Giffen_♫ 12:55, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

LatestScores automatically updated

Hi Chuck, now it's my turn to free you from this tedious work of creating the "yyyy-dd-mm scores" pages. :)
Please have a look at the pages just created: template:ScoresOn and ChoralWiki:LatestScores. This last one is basically the same as the 'Template:LatestScores' you used to update by hand, with the difference that now the dates are updated automatically with the use of the ParserFunction #time. You will still have to create the log page for the months, though; I haven't found a way to automate them yet. The daily pages are unnecessary, in my point of view. —Carlos  17:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Update: The monthly scores list could be a bit automated too, with the use of template:ScoresIn. Have a look at the ChoralWiki:October 2008 scores page to see it in action. If you don't like the templates names, do change them at will. —Carlos  18:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Reply by: Chucktalk Giffen♫ 23:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)  Help  Nice job, Carlos. I reduced the number days to 10 (from 11), which is what I had tried to maintain (except on weekends when I often upped the number to 11 or 12, depending upon my expectation of being able to get online and do the updating manually over the weekend). I didn't really care for the individual day listings either ... they were a hold-over from Raf's original version.

Hi Chuck, I made some more changes to the templates, hope you approve them: added navigation links to the Monthly scores lists and made the daily headers automatically appear only when that specific day returns any results. Also added a line break separating the days, do you think it's too much spacing? —Carlos  18:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Reply by: Chucktalk Giffen♫ 20:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)  Help  Hi Carlos. I would remove the adde line break separating the days. Also, I would add a copy of the navigation links at the bottom of the page. Otherwise, it's good. PS. I just made the changes I suggested.

Automating Psalm settings lists

Hi Chuck. How do you feel about what I've said on Talk:Psalm 150? --Bobnotts talk 11:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)