User talk:Richard Mix

Problems submitting a score

Hi, I'm struggling to learn the ropes here. After a few abortive attempts at "Add scores to CPDL" I found one file under my contributions page: File:Gaudeamus Battistini.pdf and have made an article page for it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sparafucil (talk • contribs) on 18:16, 15 January 2008.

Hi there. Welcome to CPDL and thank you for your edition! I'm sorry to hear that you're having difficulties. I've just created the composer page and added the works entry to it. Please supply the following information and I will format the score page correctly:

• Your real name
• The copyright that you are assigning to your edition (the preference is the CPDL license but you may apply any license to your edition; it would be a good idea to add this information to the bottom of the first page of the PDF too)
• A MIDI file would be very useful if you are able to create one (not required but useful)

When you come to your next score submission, please try to follow the score submission guide which I think is very clear. If you're having problems, please leave a message on my talk page, noting the part that you're having difficulties with and I will endevour to help. Regards --Bobnotts talk 19:58, 15 January 2008 (PST)

Beatus vir

Hi Richard! I had to revert your edits made to Beatus vir, RV 597, because you were inadvertently removing the original info. You probably wanted to edit Beatus vir, RV 598, right? What probably happened was that you clicked on page RV 598 and was "redirected" to RV 597 without noticing it. When we move a page to another name, the original name automatically receives a "redirect" code to the new page. If that's what happened, tell me and I will copy to RV 598 the edits you made, so that you don't lose what you had already done. Regards -- Carlos^Talk 21:40, 16 April 2008 (PDT)

Yes, that was it! I thought there was something wrong; thanks for putting it right. Richard Mix 18:38, 17 April 2008 (PDT)

Hi Richard, here I am again. I'm not sure I understood what you did. The PDFs you uploaded to RV 598 specify on their first pages that they are from RV 597! Is that correct? From what I saw, Beatus vir RV 597 is in C major, and RV 598 is in B flat major. I think it would be a good idea also to check with the admins if CPDL allows pages hosting only the orchestra parts, without their corresponding vocal parts. -- Carlos^Talk 14:52, 19 April 2008 (PDT)

Yes, the two pages now need to be swapped. How did you find the uploaded files? And where should I try contacting the admins (one is Rafael, I assume? I would think it only a matter of time before someone adds choral parts, but... ) tia, Richard Mix 07:28, 21 April 2008 (PDT)

Hi Richard, the two pages contents are now swapped, remember your scores are now in RV 597! I found your uploaded files looking at the upload log available at Recent changes in the left menu. Try asking your questions to admins here: ChoralWiki:Sheet music requests and questions. Regards! -- Carlos^Talk 11:39, 21 April 2008 (PDT)

Redirects

Hi Richard!

I'd like to know if there is a reason why you created a redirect to this work. If you type these exact words in the search box, the correct page will be the first (and only) to appear, so this redirect seems unnecessary. The same applies to the various Hanacpachap redirects you created. The variant spellings are all inside the works page, so someone searching for any of them should be able to find that work without the need of the redirects.

Redirects are usefull only in some specific situations, as when we use template {{ChoralWiki}} on Wikipedia to redirect to a page on CPDL and the Wikipedia article title is different from the title at CPDL. Regards —Carlos  16:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Carlos,

I was only trying to turn a red link at Psalm 114 blue, which is also easily accomplished by adding a first name. Is there a downside to having redirects? The only way I could find Hanacpachap before was to go to anonymous and look under H, which took quite a few extra seconds;-) Richard Mix 23:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Richard,

In fact redirects do increase a little bit the database's workload, since they need to be indexed too; we also have more work when we need to move the target page to a different title; but they are nonetheless useful in many situations. It's strange you couldn't find Hanacpachap: if you try a search with this name the works page shows up. This is what we've been doing when possible: to add composer aliases and composition variant titles in the page text so they can be found easily via the Search tool. —Carlos  01:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, the only difference between "go" and "search" is the option to create a new page. I still have a WP habit of creating red links in preview mode to see what's there, but will try not to carry it over to CPDL (if you click on the one above you wont get any seach results at all). Shouldn't I have come across mention of this prefered strategy before somewhere? Richard Mix 02:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Text sources

Hi Richard. Thanks for adding text sources to score pages. It really helps to make ChoralWiki a truly interlinked website. I had one doubt, though, Confitebor tibi Domine (Giovanni Gabrieli). It looks more like parts of Psalm 9 vv.2-3 & 16 to me (though I can't identify the entire text). Do you agree? --Bobnotts talk 21:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear Bob,
Thanks for the catch! The Vulgate lumps Ps's 9 & 10, so: 9:2-3, (I think you're right about 16), 12, 10:37a. Btw, re JSB I think you meant that it is preferable to have external links from a cpdl page as here (I'm looking into the title of bwv 131, often given as Aus der Tiefen). With all the material at bachcantatas.com it might be nice to have a BachCantata template. Richard Mix 05:17, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Question about Sibelius 4 exporting to previous versions formats

Hi Richard I saw your question in John Patterson's talk page...Yes Sibelius 4(5 and now 6) gives you the possibility to save files so they can be opened with previous versions of Sibelius...that option is under the menu File and then Export (not "save as")...I hope it was helpful...Saniakob 02:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, it's only in Sib3 that it's under "save as SIb2 file". Thanks, Richard Mix 10:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Bach Cantatas

(The other half of the conversation is here)

Hi Richard, you are right...the reasons why I did that is because of organizational purposes...The page is still "under construction"...there are many things to fix...So for the moment I am ordering editions...and creating sections (like Cantatas, Chorales so on) to put things in order...once all editions are ordered I will work on each section....So far, the cantatas which have a page including all pieces are those which are complete...Cantatas which have only some pieces in CPDL are given as titles with the corresponding editions listed below...I pretend to change that in the future, but for now that is the criterion...Thanks for the suggestion and comment!!Saniakob 13:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

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My apologies Richard, now I see, your edition is of Movement 1 and I listed it in Movement 7 page...my mistake... There is a problem on making a page for the whole cantata when there are available only 2 Movements.If you see CPDL requires that the number of editions available must be mentioned...the cantatas which are complete and have editions of independent movements mention this "full score and independent movements" (or similar text). It is impossible to mention which movements are included in each page; it is note possible to write "some movements available" or to mention each movement next to the Cantata title. For clarity, the movements available are listed under the Cantata tile...This criterion is used in all CPDL pages, or at least is what I have been told by Admins...CPDL manager also added some templates to be used for the Cantatas section and did not object how things were, so I assume things are correctly organized... Regarding, languages and other mistakes on the edition pages... I will correct that in a near future, I am checking page by page...and taking notes on what needs to be fixed....For the moment, all of my time goes on finding the corresponding BWV catalog number for each entry on the page and checking if they are missatributions, translations or other stuff, as well as sending each edition to its corresponding section within the page...Regarding your suggestion of opening another Bach project in CPDL...I can't answer that...I think an Admin will give you a proper reply...Thanks again - Saniakob 13:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

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The discussion you mention is about merging pieces which are the same piece but with different titles translated to other languages. I will ask you please to stop changing things at the page. If you were concerned with Bach page you could have adopted it before. I took it and CPDL admins know about it. I appreciate your concern but undoing my work doesn't help. Since CPDL was created Bach page is a mess...and things are much ordered now. Please respect my decisions about the page management, there is 1 volunteer per page and with Bach page it happens to be me...If you have a complain direct it to the admins...I wouldn't like to report you for interfering because I know you try to help, but this is not the right way. Please be patient, things can't be fixed in 2 days, actually, I am volunteering since one month ago and there is a lot to do and the time I could use to improve the page I am spending undoing your changes because you don't respect my position as volunteer with the page. - Thanks Saniakob 20:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

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Never mind. I step out. I am no longer volunteering with this page. Feel free to take the position, it is available.

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Here is my reply to your comment in Mr. Giffen's talk page....

"I stepped out. I am no longer volunteering. Offer the position of volunteering with Bach Page to Mr. Mix who thinks he can do a much better job than me...I wish he would have made something when no one was maintaining the page for years and not just now when someone else started doing the job. I worked for 10 years as manager and copyist of a music repository at a university and I thought I knew some stuff of the trade...but I guess I was wrong. Besides, you modified things in the page (adding the templates for the cantatas) and you didn't told me anything about my way of organizing things...just now when I have this discussion you tell me about CPDL rules and make me look like a fool when I try to defend my point of view with Mr. Mix. Finally, If I did not read wrong, the Adopt a composer program states clearly that there is 1 volunteer per page...so "collaborative work" as Mr. Mix call it doesn't apply for some things...like changing things at will... I understand collaborative work is teaching people how to make a submission to CPDL correctly (which I did) because the information given by the site is confusing....or translating pages to other languages to make CPDL more accessible to everyone (which I also did)... I know perfectly what collaborative work is. I am a professional with enough experience in my field and I won't work under this conditions. Perhaps I misunderstood what CPDL was about...if that's the case then I am to blame. Thank you."

Things are exactly as they were before I took Bach page...so you can start the work in the way you love most...Best Regards - Saniakob 17:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Failed contributions

Hi Richard. You tried to contribute editions of two Mendelssohn pieces to CPDL on 21st July but I can't locate any files for these editions. Could you point me in the right direction, please? --Bobnotts talk 19:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure- on my contributions page I still see: http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/File:Andenken_(Mendelssohn).sib and http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/File:Andenken_(Mendelssohn).pdf on the page Andenken, Op. 100, No. 1 (Felix Mendelssohn), as well as two more files up at Im Wald. Op. 100, No. 4 (Felix Mendelssohn). Thanks, and hope I havnt unwittingly made anything harder. Richard Mix 19:30, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry - my mistake. I found the page Im Walde, Op. 41, No. 1 (Felix Mendelssohn) linked from the Mendelssohn page and when I didn't see your edition listed, I got confused! Nothing wrong with Andenken, Op. 100, No. 1 (Felix Mendelssohn) but Im Wald Op. 100, No. 4 (Felix Mendelssohn) was missing a catalogue number and wasn't linked to from the main Mendelssohn page. I've fixed both of those things now. Thanks --Bobnotts talk 21:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Sacred feasts

Hi Richard, thanks for improving the texts of those categories, I never imagined this subject could be so complex :) —Carlos  18:51, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Salve Regina

Hi Richard. Thanks for your work on this page. You'll see that I moved the external link you added to under the "external links" section. I feel that we need to draw the line somewhere, otherwise people would add any vaugely relevant links to the settings list and clutter it up. I hope that's ok with you.

Also, you asked: "should all voicings redirect as SATB does?" in an edit summary for the page. Firstly, please don't use edit summaries to ask question - they should be used to give a brief summary of the edit and nothing else. The best place to ask questions is on the forums. To answer your question, though, there's no strict rule for redirects but generally I'd say that SATB is only a redirect because it's a voicing that's used so frequently. To add links to categories quickly (without categorising the page in the category), use the "CiteCat" template, like this: {{CiteCat|SSATB}}. Regards --Bobnotts talk 15:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Text page links

Hi Richard. Thanks for all your help lately! Just thought I'd mention one thing: when you add a link to a text page from a score page, such as on Ave Maria, Op. 23, No. 2 (Felix Mendelssohn) and Laudate Dominum omnes gentes, III (Claudio Monteverdi), please try to remember to also update the text page to link back to the score page. That way, someone looking for a particular text can find all the settings of it on CW (in theory!) I've just updated the text pages for those score pages. I know it's easy to forget sometimes. Thanks again. --Bobnotts talk 12:16, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Declare his honour - Henry Purcell

I hope I'm adding comments to the correct page, since it's not enirely obvious how one contacts people in Choral Wiki

With regard to my reformatting of the Fowler version of this, bar 75 should have read bar 74 (and the last note of bar 73), where the bass part seems to have been transposed down by a 6th. (This is fairly obvious when you play it back. It also corresponds with bar 247 of the Callon version of O sing unto the Lord). The same transposition seems to have occurred in the bass accompaniment in bar 76.

I have corrected these (and taken the liberty of removing your error message at the same time!) I've also uploaded new versions of the .pdf, .mid and .cap files.

I've found some oddities when uploading new versions of files. Although I uploaded a revised version of the .pdf file on 7th February, the file that was there when I opened it today appeared to be the original version. I have uploaded a new version and that seems now to be the version in Choral Wiki. However, the .cap file I uploaded at the same time seems not to have been uploaded, since it is still the old file which opens.

On the question of combining this with O sing unto the Lord, that is obviously a sensible move. However, from the point of view of practical use for singers, I don't think most choirs would make much use of the full version, so I would suggest there should still be a link on the Purcell main page for "Declare his honour", which redirects to "O sing unto the Lord" Jamesgibb 10:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Welcome! A lot of useful discussion does happen on user talk pages; there are also the CPDL fora, which confusingly require a separate login even if you use the same name and password. If it's alright with you though, I'll copy the Purcell-specific discussion to Talk:O sing unto the Lord (Henry Purcell).

Thanks for the corrections and clarifications! I'm not sure about the oddities yet, but will have another look, and add the error report to Fowler.

I agree about the redirect in case anyone searches under "D". This is handled by turning subpage Declare His Honor (Henry Purcell) into a redirect. It isnt necessary to have the file in two places, as with the redundant Agnus Dei (Marc-Antoine Charpentier): here I think even a redirect to Messe de Minuit pour Noël (Marc-Antoine Charpentier) is unneeded. Richard Mix 20:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Gaudeamus omnes (Giacomo Battistini)‎

Hi Richard. User:Sparafucil once uploaded an edition of the work above, but the name in the score is yours! Was Sparafucil an old account you were using before registering as Richard Mix? Regards, —Carlos  22:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'd forgotten. Can you delete the account? Richard Mix 22:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Better yet, I've merged the old account into the new one, to unify your contributions. Regards, —Carlos  23:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Motets

Hi Richard, I've noticed you 'depopulated' the liturgical music cat in favour of 'motet' on one of my contributions. As you may have noticed, there is a discussion on the forums about this issue, as yet without decisive outcome. In the case of Mondondone's "Deus in adiutorium", I disagree with your categorisation - it is an office versicle with a clear an unequivocal functional role, pretty much unimaginable in any other context. As for the stylistic issues, those remain to be debated, as you can see on the forums. Would you consider contributing to the discussion? joachim 13:28, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the pointer! I'll try to sort it out what I think... I suppose though we're not in disagreement that category:Office versicles would ultimately be more easily searchable than "liturgical music"? In the meantime, we could make a Deus in ajutorium textpage (maybe just a redirect to a sub-section of Psalm 70). All the best, Richard Mix 21:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Psalms

Richard, not sure if I'm doing this the right way, since it doesn't seem immediately intuitive how to reply to comments from someone.

I suppose the psalm chants I've been adding are an anthology, in the sense that they are the ones we generally use in the choir that I belong to. The only reason that I've set them is Capella is that I got tired of illegible photocopies of words and music. Capella isn't brilliant at handling words if they are not set as lyrics under the notes, so I add the relevant text from a Word file and print the same page twice, once with the chant and once with the text. However, as I only do this when a new psalm comes to be sung, the set is not complete.

I'm not clear how (or where) I should put them if they were to be presented as an anthology. Would they still appear on the composer pages, but just with a different title?

On the small "c" for chant issue, I've been puzzled by why the link still appeared in red when I added a score, so that explains it. I haven't typed it in with an upper case C; that's provided by the dropdown list from "Add scores to CPDL". I'll correct by hand for the moment, but it might be useful if someone could alter the dropdown list eventually, to eliminate the problem automatically. Jamesgibb 10:52, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Praeter rerum seriem

Hi Richard. I have to take exception with your designation of the Praeter rerum seriem (Anonymous) as being a Gregorian chant source rather than simply Anonymous. If you'll examint the setting, you'll see that it is a triple rhythm tune that is wholly inconsistent with being Gregorian chant, in spite of the text being a Marian sequence. – Chuck_talk Giffen_♫ 03:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)