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:Fine by me. Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:14, 26 December 2009 (UTC) | :Fine by me. Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 22:14, 26 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Hi Richard, the [http://www.stattkus-music.de/ Stattkus-Verzeichnis] lists the three settings as SV 272, SV 273, and SV 274, so moving all of them to SV 272 perhaps isn't a viable solution for the title, at least. It's a normal feature of collections like the ''Selva morale'' for there to be multiple settings of the common vespers psalms, and in the partbooks in this case they are all referred to as Primo, Secondo, and on occasion Terzo... The numbers are consistent in following the order of printing in the ''Selva''. The composer's page usually has the instrumentation or keys listed, so that's the best place to indicate the differentiation between the distinct works, e.g. I (in G) 5v/6vv, 2vl, bc; II (in D) 8vv, 2vl, bc; III (in G) 8vv, bc. Regards [[User:Pml|Philip Legge]]<sub>[[User_talk:Pml|Φ talk]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pml|@ mail]]</sub> 23:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC) | ::Hi Richard, the [http://www.stattkus-music.de/ Stattkus-Verzeichnis] lists the three settings as SV 272, SV 273, and SV 274, so moving all of them to SV 272 perhaps isn't a viable solution for the title, at least. It's a normal feature of collections like the ''Selva morale'' for there to be multiple settings of the common vespers psalms, and in the partbooks in this case they are all referred to as Primo, Secondo, and on occasion Terzo... The numbers are consistent in following the order of printing in the ''Selva''. The composer's page usually has the instrumentation or keys listed, so that's the best place to indicate the differentiation between the distinct works, e.g. I (in G) 5v/6vv, 2vl, bc; II (in D) 8vv, 2vl, bc; III (in G) 8vv, bc. Regards [[User:Pml|Philip Legge]]<sub>[[User_talk:Pml|Φ talk]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pml|@ mail]]</sub> 23:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Edited to add: The discrepancy with the 1st setting being "concertato à 5" is owing to the division between solo and tutti - if you look at the partbooks, the chorus is actually SSAATTBB, but | ::Edited to add: The discrepancy with the 1st setting being "concertato à 5" is owing to the division between solo and tutti - if you look at the partbooks, the chorus is actually SSAATTBB, but the alto and basso secondo parts are merely doubling parts in the tutti, and the alto primo part never acts as a "solo voice", so the description is actually correct: the solo concerto is for 5 SSTTB voices and 2 violins, and the tutti chorus is effectively SSATTB with the alto and bass parts doubling one another. | ||
::And as for Laudate Dominum (iv) – the parentheses and lowercase lettering are perhaps to indicate that this editorialism is derived from Grove itself, rather than being listed as such in the SV catalogue – is the setting for bass and continuo from the 1650 Messi and Psalmi, where it appears as SV 197/SV 197a. PML | ::And as for Laudate Dominum (iv) – the parentheses and lowercase lettering are perhaps to indicate that this editorialism is derived from Grove itself, rather than being listed as such in the SV catalogue – is the setting for bass and continuo from the 1650 Messi and Psalmi, where it appears as SV 197/SV 197a. PML | ||
Revision as of 00:19, 28 December 2009
Laudate Dominum omnes gentes
We have three settings numbered I, II & III, but these are in a different order than Grove, which lists I concertato a 5 [!!!], II w vlni, III a8, as well as (iv) for solo bass (but why lower case and parentheses?). All 3 choral pieces are from the 1641 Selve, so no useful information about chronology can be conveyed by numbers; I propose moving the pages to Laudate Dominum, SV 272 (Claudio Monteverdi) &c. Richard Mix 22:11, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Fine by me. Keep up the good work. --Bobnotts talk 22:14, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Hi Richard, the Stattkus-Verzeichnis lists the three settings as SV 272, SV 273, and SV 274, so moving all of them to SV 272 perhaps isn't a viable solution for the title, at least. It's a normal feature of collections like the Selva morale for there to be multiple settings of the common vespers psalms, and in the partbooks in this case they are all referred to as Primo, Secondo, and on occasion Terzo... The numbers are consistent in following the order of printing in the Selva. The composer's page usually has the instrumentation or keys listed, so that's the best place to indicate the differentiation between the distinct works, e.g. I (in G) 5v/6vv, 2vl, bc; II (in D) 8vv, 2vl, bc; III (in G) 8vv, bc. Regards Philip LeggeΦ talk @ mail 23:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Edited to add: The discrepancy with the 1st setting being "concertato à 5" is owing to the division between solo and tutti - if you look at the partbooks, the chorus is actually SSAATTBB, but the alto and basso secondo parts are merely doubling parts in the tutti, and the alto primo part never acts as a "solo voice", so the description is actually correct: the solo concerto is for 5 SSTTB voices and 2 violins, and the tutti chorus is effectively SSATTB with the alto and bass parts doubling one another.
- And as for Laudate Dominum (iv) – the parentheses and lowercase lettering are perhaps to indicate that this editorialism is derived from Grove itself, rather than being listed as such in the SV catalogue – is the setting for bass and continuo from the 1650 Messi and Psalmi, where it appears as SV 197/SV 197a. PML