User talk:Ajhigg

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Germany (Louis Bourgeois)

Hi Antonio, When did the meter change? I think it changed with Lobwasser 1573 – see Zahn vol. 4 (no. 6543) where he quotes Lobwasser under the 87. 87. 77. 88 meter. Apparently this hymn in this meter was sung by German-speaking people from the mid-sixteenth century on, maybe to the present time. (Also, in the last paragraph of Zahn's entry, he says "According to Becker's testimony, the melody already appeared in the Psalms of Bourgeois 1542, a book that I have not come across.") — Barry Johnston (talk) 02:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Barry,

The poetic meter evidently changed much earlier than that, since Goudimel's polyphonic arrangement of it was in 1568 to the Psalm 42 text. Nafziger posits that it was 87. 87. 77. 88 in Bourgeois' 83 Psalms of David (1551). I'm trying to locate the source he used in his video but find it rather difficult.

If I had to guess, between 1542 and 1551, our Mr. Louis decided that this tune better fit that meter. As for the musical meter, the straight, duple meter seems to be an innovation of the Mennonite singers Funk was around. — A. J. Higgins (talk) 02:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

P. S. After searching through the 1551 edition I have indeed found the melody of GENEVAN 42 on page 119. It is set to a metrical 42, Ansi que la biche rée. This was most likely a precursor to the text Goudimel would use (The In si qu'on oit le cerf bruire mentioned in wiki page). And, yes, this setting is in 87. 87. 77. 88. All that would have to be done is find the original publication in 1542 to verify its meter. I have updated the page to better reflect new data. — A. J. Higgins (talk) 03:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)